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Re: I've an intense dislike for MLM

Posted By: Samuel L Freedom
Date: Sunday, 21 December 2003, at 2:17 a.m.

In Response To: I've an intense dislike for MLM (Kim Thomas)

> Call me stupid or call me what you will, I have an intense dislike for MLM
> and whoever promote MLM program earns a big "distrust" on my
> part.

Same here, but that doesn't mean we're any different than MLM'ers. It could mean we're just jealous of them. It's easy to judge from a distance.

> In all cases, there will be an exception. However ask yourself this
> question -- would you want to bet the odd against you or favor you? When
> you are in business and especially Internet business would you want to
> have to pay your way to make it or do you want to make it because it was
> you that did it?

What about both?

> This is a free country -- use your elbow grease and release the genius
> inside of you and have a dare devil attitude toward making a living.

> If any group that I will ever want to join and is gladly to pay are those
> that belong to a private coaching kind of club. When someone takes you
> under their wing they will try to help you.

> For all newbies who had no idea how to make it yet and thinking of joining
> any kind of MLM group is a big mistake.

Getting burned once or twice can be useful.

> Learn it first hand from the pros
> by joining their private coaching club.

Maybe you can write an e-book on how to tell who is genuine and who is just out for money and fame.

> Pay your dues and ask all the
> questions while you are there to clear your confusion -- then leave them
> to make it on your own. Don't clutch yourself under someone's wings
> because you're afraid to fail. Failing is the first sign of making it
> really big.

Then why discourage people from joining MLM's if you think they're sure to fail?

> Making it on your own is the premise of being an entrepreneur.

That's the premise of a loner. According to that definition, the UnaBomber was a successful entrepeneur who was not blinded by money and fame, but by grime and sweat. :-) He certainly kept expenses to a minimum.

> I have not yet started my private club but I will in due time. There are
> more questions for me now then answers for you -- so I need to clear the
> way first.

I hope I've just eliminated a load of questions. Did you know that most questions aren't even questions? Some series of questions are necessary only to get out of a jam. But if you learn to avoid the jam in the first place, your mind is free to ask questions that help you stay on course, minimizing jams and the jam-extraction-related questions.

> The premise of this group is absolutely different and that is you will
> only be required to stay for 1 year and after that wanted to or not, you
> are out leaving room for others to enter.

Are you saying that the premise is to send all the experienced members packing at the end of a year? It sounds noble at first, but what about retaining some of them to help other newcomers? What matters most is your MISSION. If your mission is genuinely altruistic, then there need not be an automatic boot at the end of a year. Some people can be retained so that MORE people can be helped, and so that whomever is at the top can be freed up from developing members in order to devote more resources towards developing the organization.

> Since private group by
> definition is small and personal at least to my definition. While there is
> no one formula that fits all problems, luckily the heart of almost all
> problems with the net lie in two main areas, they are
> 1- traffic conversion factor and 2- sales copy

More aptly put, "baiting, and BS'ing", at least to my definition.

Does anyone think I am being too harsh?

Eric

Messages In This Thread

The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Russ -- Saturday, 16 August 2003, at 6:55 a.m.
yes
Semmy -- Saturday, 16 August 2003, at 11:40 a.m.
Re: yes
Jimmy Boyd -- Saturday, 16 August 2003, at 11:54 a.m.
explain more
Semmy -- Saturday, 16 August 2003, at 12:35 p.m.
Re: explain more
Jimmy Boyd -- Saturday, 16 August 2003, at 1:25 p.m.
well well well
Semmy -- Saturday, 16 August 2003, at 1:44 p.m.
See both sides here
Denise Ryder -- Saturday, 16 August 2003, at 3:28 p.m.
Re: See both sides here
Jimmy Boyd -- Saturday, 16 August 2003, at 3:38 p.m.
Re: See both sides here
Paul Reilly -- Sunday, 5 October 2003, at 1:00 a.m.
Re: See both sides here
Jimmy Boyd -- Sunday, 5 October 2003, at 2:18 a.m.
Re: See both sides here
Samuel L Freedom -- Sunday, 21 December 2003, at 1:23 a.m.
Re: explain more
Paul Reilly -- Thursday, 9 October 2003, at 11:49 p.m.
Re: explain more
Samuel L Freedom -- Sunday, 21 December 2003, at 1:26 a.m.
Re: explain more
Paul Reilly -- Sunday, 21 December 2003, at 1:44 a.m.
Whats your beef with mike chen, semmy?
Satyajeet Hattangadi -- Saturday, 16 August 2003, at 9:41 p.m.
Re: Whats your beef with mike chen, semmy?
Samuel L Freedom -- Sunday, 21 December 2003, at 1:29 a.m.
He is giving software out for free where he is selling RESALE rights and forbid those guys to give .
Semmy -- Sunday, 21 December 2003, at 7:40 p.m.
Re: Whats your beef with mike chen, semmy?
Tam -- Monday, 22 December 2003, at 2:30 a.m.
Re: Giving Out your SSN number
Alex Ribeiro -- Monday, 22 December 2003, at 3:36 p.m.
Re: Giving Out your SSN number
Tam -- Monday, 22 December 2003, at 3:44 p.m.
Re: yes
Helmut -- Monday, 25 August 2003, at 11:04 a.m.
Same payment problem with me...
Armando B Silva - Profits.CC -- Monday, 25 August 2003, at 12:48 p.m.
Re: Mike Chen is not honest and ethical I would ..
Amy Johnson -- Monday, 25 August 2003, at 6:04 p.m.
How did your friend get PayPal to act?
Helmut -- Tuesday, 26 August 2003, at 2:56 a.m.
Re: How did your friend get PayPal to act?
Amy Johnson -- Tuesday, 26 August 2003, at 7:24 a.m.
Re: yes
Abbey -- Wednesday, 10 September 2003, at 4:56 p.m.
Let me tell you something about Mike Chen
Paul Reilly -- Sunday, 5 October 2003, at 1:11 a.m.
Re: Let me tell you something about Mike Chen
Samuel L Freedom -- Sunday, 21 December 2003, at 1:58 a.m.
Re: Let me tell you something about Mike Chen
Paul Reilly -- Sunday, 21 December 2003, at 2:28 a.m.
Re: yes
Samuel L Freedom -- Sunday, 21 December 2003, at 1:48 a.m.
I've an intense dislike for MLM
Kim Thomas -- Monday, 18 August 2003, at 2:28 p.m.
STUPID :-) *DNO*
Semmy -- Monday, 18 August 2003, at 8:01 p.m.
it is not about dislike - it is about the prooven
Semmy -- Monday, 18 August 2003, at 8:05 p.m.
Preach on Semmy! *DNO*
Chris Gagliano -- Wednesday, 20 August 2003, at 8:19 a.m.
Preach?
Semmy -- Wednesday, 20 August 2003, at 11:25 a.m.
Re: Preach?
Chris Gagliano -- Wednesday, 20 August 2003, at 6:15 p.m.
AMEN
Semmy -- Wednesday, 20 August 2003, at 7:32 p.m.
Well pointed out Semmy
Paul Reilly -- Sunday, 5 October 2003, at 1:19 a.m.
Thank you! *DNO*
Kim Thomas -- Monday, 18 August 2003, at 8:06 p.m.
Re: I've an intense dislike for MLM
Ron Gemini -- Tuesday, 7 October 2003, at 6:26 p.m.
Hello Ron ..
Kim Thomas -- Thursday, 9 October 2003, at 4:39 p.m.
Re: I've an intense dislike for MLM
Samuel L Freedom -- Sunday, 21 December 2003, at 2:17 a.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Glenn -- Thursday, 21 August 2003, at 10:24 p.m.
Re: My 2 cents for your MLM debate...
Jason Bietsch -- Friday, 22 August 2003, at 7:37 p.m.
Anyone know how to get in touch with Jason Bietsch?
Jon Miller -- Saturday, 20 December 2003, at 3:39 p.m.
Re: Anyone know how to get in touch with Jason Bietsch?
Jon Miller -- Saturday, 20 December 2003, at 3:41 p.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Dave Wright -- Friday, 22 August 2003, at 8:55 p.m.
A fraud of sorts?
Helmut -- Monday, 25 August 2003, at 11:28 a.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Sue -- Friday, 22 August 2003, at 10:21 p.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Priya Shah -- Friday, 22 August 2003, at 11:16 p.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Sue -- Friday, 22 August 2003, at 11:27 p.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Bridge Lindsay -- Wednesday, 27 August 2003, at 6:19 p.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Tamara -- Saturday, 30 August 2003, at 4:27 a.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Chris Gagliano -- Friday, 22 August 2003, at 11:29 p.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Priya Shah -- Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 12:46 a.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Bill -- Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 1:26 a.m.
Well Said, Bill! *DNO*
Priya Shah -- Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 1:45 a.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Chris Gagliano -- Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 1:38 a.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
kumar -- Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 3:06 a.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Arturo -- Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 6:34 a.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
kumar -- Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 12:14 p.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Glenn -- Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 2:48 p.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
kumar -- Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 5:41 p.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Glenn -- Sunday, 24 August 2003, at 3:52 p.m.
Here's What One MLM Guru Has To Say:
Tasha -- Thursday, 2 October 2003, at 9:04 p.m.
Puh-leeze........
Lou -- Friday, 3 October 2003, at 5:19 a.m.
FAP????????????Uhoh I must be drinking again!!!!
Carl Haugen -- Friday, 3 October 2003, at 5:37 a.m.
Re: Puh-leeze........
Tasha -- Friday, 3 October 2003, at 4:27 p.m.
Ummm...sorry to break it to ya....
Lou -- Saturday, 4 October 2003, at 7:33 a.m.
Lou, take your hate someplace else *DNO*
Carl Haugen -- Saturday, 4 October 2003, at 7:37 p.m.
Carl, you're one to talk......hypocrite.....
Lou -- Sunday, 5 October 2003, at 1:31 a.m.
Carl: gay hitler lover and kkk member HUH???
Carl Haugen -- Sunday, 5 October 2003, at 3:46 a.m.
Hey dummy....
Lou -- Sunday, 5 October 2003, at 4:17 a.m.
Carl:gay hitler lover, kkk member and dummy, HUH??
Carl Haugen -- Sunday, 5 October 2003, at 4:33 a.m.
You're just a trouble maker...
Lou -- Sunday, 5 October 2003, at 4:52 a.m.
Re: Ummm...sorry to break it to ya....
Samuel L Freedom -- Sunday, 21 December 2003, at 2:26 a.m.
Re: Ummm...sorry to break it to ya....
Lou -- Wednesday, 24 December 2003, at 7:22 a.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Kenneth Reno -- Wednesday, 27 August 2003, at 4:07 p.m.
Re: The more I see of Free Agent Path ...
Karen -- Wednesday, 27 August 2003, at 9:39 a.m.
Re: Jim Edwards Smacks down on the FAP
Priya Shah -- Friday, 12 September 2003, at 12:58 p.m.
Re: Jim Edwards Smacks down on the FAP
Satyajeet Hattangadi -- Friday, 12 September 2003, at 2:26 p.m.
Re: Jim Edwards Smacks down on the FAP
Priya Shah -- Friday, 12 September 2003, at 6:18 p.m.
Re: Jim Edwards Smacks down on the FAP
Elizabeth Sinclair -- Friday, 12 September 2003, at 10:40 p.m.
Re: Jim Edwards Smacks down on the FAP
Andri Zhou -- Saturday, 13 September 2003, at 3:41 a.m.
Re: Jim Edwards Smacks down on the FAP
Priya Shah -- Saturday, 13 September 2003, at 9:00 a.m.
How to Forum? Finally a post worth reading!!! ...or not?
Josh Anderson -- Wednesday, 22 October 2003, at 5:09 a.m.
Re: How to Forum? Finally a post worth reading!!! ...or not?
Lou -- Wednesday, 22 October 2003, at 5:48 a.m.
Lou - dont jump to conclusions.
Josh Anderson -- Wednesday, 22 October 2003, at 7:19 a.m.
Agree to disagree
Andy Henry -- Wednesday, 22 October 2003, at 1:21 p.m.
Re: Lou - dont jump to conclusions.
Lou -- Wednesday, 22 October 2003, at 6:20 p.m.
Thanks Lou :-)
Josh Anderson -- Wednesday, 22 October 2003, at 8:47 p.m.
"Liquid Nutritional" products anyone???
Carl Haugen -- Thursday, 23 October 2003, at 2:33 a.m.
Yes, and please pass the algae : -)
Josh Anderson -- Thursday, 23 October 2003, at 5:01 a.m.
Bottoms up :-)
Carl Haugen -- Thursday, 23 October 2003, at 5:36 a.m.
Re: Bottoms up :-)
Robert Shields -- Sunday, 26 October 2003, at 10:10 a.m.
Re: Mark Joyner Farewell Package Owner
Josh Anderson -- Tuesday, 28 October 2003, at 6:26 p.m.
Re: Mark Joyner Farewell Package Owner
Josh Anderson -- Tuesday, 28 October 2003, at 8:21 p.m.
Re: Mark Joyner Farewell Package Owner
Robert Shields -- Monday, 24 May 2004, at 5:28 p.m.
7 months to reply to a post - that must be a record
Pearson Brown -- Monday, 24 May 2004, at 7:57 p.m.
Re: 7 months to reply to a post - that must be a record
Donald Saunders -- Monday, 24 May 2004, at 8:25 p.m.
Silly
Josh Anderson -- Monday, 24 May 2004, at 8:33 p.m.
Re: Silly
Robert Shields -- Monday, 24 May 2004, at 8:56 p.m.
Woops you were an ezinefire.com contributor what happened?
Josh Anderson -- Monday, 24 May 2004, at 8:46 p.m.
Re: Woops you were an ezinefire.com contributor what happened?
Robert Shields -- Tuesday, 25 May 2004, at 1:50 a.m.
I share your admiration for Russell Brunson
Josh Anderson -- Tuesday, 25 May 2004, at 2:06 a.m.
don't let it get you down
Derek -- Monday, 24 May 2004, at 3:29 p.m.

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