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Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?

Posted By: Philip Allen
Date: Friday, 9 April 2004, at 2:45 a.m.

In Response To: Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother? (Tom Kulzer)

> Now, I'm not excusing all the filtering that ISP's do but
> you have to look at the grand scheme of things. Their
> customers want filtering, their customers pay the bills,
> hence they do what their customers want. It's not until
> their customers realize that they are loosing a lot of
> legit mail that they requested that the ISP is going to
> do anything about the problem.

This is my first post to this forum and I have found a lot of great information from some very knowledgeable people. I want to thank everyone
who post to this forum for educating us newbies.

Now to the business at hand.

I have been using a small local ISP for over a year now they don't have all the bells and whistles as the other providers
like AOL but they do have a spam filter.The thing I like about them is that
they let you set your filter settings and once a week they send me an email
to let me know how many spam messages their filters caught with the link so I can read them or check for messages that may have been accidentally caught.
Are the larger ISP's doing this? Is it feasible for them to do this?

My thought about opt-in confirmation and 30% loss of subscribers.

First I have to say I am fairly new to internet marketing. I haven't built a website (it is under construction),I haven't even made any money yet so this is just my opinion.

The way I look at the 30% loss is good. If that person couldn't take the time to click on a confirmation link then did they truely want to subscribe to your newsletter.In my opinion the people who confirmed would be more likely to read your newsletter and be more responsive to your campaigns. Wouldn't that make your list more valuable if you were to sell advertising?

Like I said before I'm just a newbie and that's the way I understand it. Am I close?

it. Am I close?

Messages In This Thread

Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Richard -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 7:18 a.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
David Geer -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 12:17 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
David -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 7:38 p.m.
ADMIN! Re: Only ONE of these three is currently doing the job...
Michael Green -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 9:07 p.m.
Re: Only ONE of these three is currently doing the job...
Matt Garrett -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 10:34 p.m.
Re: I have to agree with Michael ...
Mike Merz -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 10:34 p.m.
Delivery percentages
Trevor Clarke -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 12:16 a.m.
Re: Delivery percentages
Tom Kulzer -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 4:44 p.m.
ADMIN! Re: Delivery percentages - thanks Tom
Michael Green -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 5:14 p.m.
Re: Delivery percentages + a question ??
Paul White -- Saturday, 3 April 2004, at 11:28 p.m.
Re: Delivery percentages
Trevor Clarke -- Saturday, 3 April 2004, at 2:04 a.m.
Re: Delivery percentages
Doug Champigny -- Saturday, 3 April 2004, at 9:27 p.m.
Re: Delivery percentages
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 2:06 p.m.
Thanks, Tom!
Doug Champigny -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 3:04 p.m.
Re: Thanks, Tom!
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 3:16 p.m.
Re: Thanks, Tom!
Doug Champigny -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 4:02 p.m.
Re: Thanks, Tom!
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 4:40 p.m.
Re: Thanks, Tom!
Doug Champigny -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 4:56 p.m.
Re: Thanks, Tom! and Corey Rudhl
Chris Lang -- Saturday, 17 April 2004, at 4:42 p.m.
Where purchased opt-in leads can be safe
Trevor Clarke -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 5:33 p.m.
Re: Where purchased opt-in leads can be safe
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 5:46 p.m.
Re: Where purchased opt-in leads can be safe
Trevor Clarke -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 1:01 a.m.
Re: Where purchased opt-in leads can be safe
Tom Kulzer -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 6:52 p.m.
Re: Where purchased opt-in leads can be safe
Trevor Clarke -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 9:31 p.m.
Re: Delivery percentages
Cheryl Gonzalez -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 3:43 a.m.
Re: Delivery percentages
Tom Kulzer -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 2:05 p.m.
Re: Delivery percentages
Julia -- Monday, 28 June 2004, at 4:54 p.m.
Re: Delivery percentages
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 28 June 2004, at 5:13 p.m.
Re: Delivery percentages
Julia -- Monday, 28 June 2004, at 6:08 p.m.
Re: Delivery percentages
Ray -- Thursday, 1 July 2004, at 11:17 p.m.
Looking for Bob
Howard Anderson -- Tuesday, 23 August 2005, at 2:32 a.m.
Aweber's bold deliverability claims (was Re: Delivery percentages)
Simon Grabowski -- Wednesday, 8 March 2006, at 8:22 p.m.
Re: Aweber's bold deliverability claims (was Re: Delivery percentages)
Chris Upson -- Sunday, 12 March 2006, at 8:20 p.m.
Re: Getresponse bold deliverability claims. 99.45%? Seems bogus if they think AWeber's is bogus.
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 2:24 a.m.
Re: Aweber bold deliverability claims.
Simon Grabowski -- Saturday, 8 April 2006, at 12:47 p.m.
GetResponse Stalking Aweber?
Chris Dudley -- Saturday, 8 April 2006, at 8:57 p.m.
Re: Aweber bold deliverability claims.
Simon Grabowski -- Saturday, 8 April 2006, at 10:29 p.m.
Re: Aweber bold deliverability claims.
Roger Haeske -- Wednesday, 12 April 2006, at 8:42 p.m.
Re: Only ONE of these three is currently doing the job...
Pamela Heywood -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 9:02 a.m.
Re: Considering using a script on your server? Prepare to educate yourself on the following items..
Tom Kulzer -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 5:05 p.m.
Re: Only ONE of these three is currently doing the job...
Jim Lodwig -- Sunday, 9 April 2006, at 3:51 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Steve Yakim -- Saturday, 3 April 2004, at 9:49 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Ed Y -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 11:03 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Tom Kulzer -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 3:46 p.m.
Awesome thread...
Mike Mann -- Saturday, 3 April 2004, at 5:31 a.m.
How about Robot Reply?
Anthony Fesalbon -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 5:20 a.m.
Re: How about Robot Reply?
William Smith -- Thursday, 29 December 2005, at 6:27 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Gary Ambrose -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 7:06 a.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Robert Shields -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 11:02 a.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
David -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 11:13 a.m.
This is a critical choice...
Fraser Neilson -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 1:55 p.m.
Re: AutoResponders - Could Someone Please Tell Me... ?
Marty Nicholas -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 11:25 a.m.
Royal Responder beats them all ... hands down...
Thom Reece -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 11:45 a.m.
Re:
Chris Lang -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 2:44 p.m.
Michael - "How many subs did you lose?"
Travis U. -- Saturday, 3 April 2004, at 10:28 p.m.
Re: Michael - "How many subs did you lose?"
William Smith -- Thursday, 29 December 2005, at 6:24 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Jim Peck -- Sunday, 4 April 2004, at 1:14 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons
Trevor Clarke -- Sunday, 4 April 2004, at 6:37 p.m.
Re: 30% lose of subscribers with verified opt-in? Do you actually lose sales though...
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 2:26 p.m.
Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?
RIchard Keir -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 5:52 a.m.
Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?
Gary Ambrose -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 8:43 a.m.
Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?
Tom Kulzer -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 2:10 p.m.
Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?
Philip Allen -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 2:45 a.m.
Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?
Tom Kulzer -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 2:07 p.m.
Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?
Cheryl Gonzalez -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 7:23 p.m.
ISPs are our big brother!
Chris Lang -- Saturday, 17 April 2004, at 5:39 p.m.
Re: ISPs are our big brother!
Mike MacDonell -- Sunday, 30 May 2004, at 7:45 a.m.
Yes, but ...
John Glube -- Monday, 31 May 2004, at 7:18 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Julia -- Wednesday, 30 June 2004, at 4:11 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
DianeM -- Wednesday, 30 June 2004, at 4:44 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Julia -- Wednesday, 30 June 2004, at 5:01 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Trevor Clarke -- Wednesday, 30 June 2004, at 5:14 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Julia -- Wednesday, 30 June 2004, at 6:12 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Julia -- Wednesday, 30 June 2004, at 6:15 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Trevor Clarke -- Thursday, 1 July 2004, at 2:09 p.m.
Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Aubrey Carroll -- Monday, 5 July 2004, at 11:41 p.m.

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