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Yes, but ...

Posted By: John Glube
Date: Monday, 31 May 2004, at 7:18 p.m.

In Response To: Re: ISPs are our big brother! (Mike MacDonell)

A bunch of issues:

* The public is fit to be tied over spam.

* The Internet service providers were given the authority under the Can-Spam Act to set their own policies in declining to receive, transmit, etc. messages.

* To reduce customer complaints, the service providers have taken steps to reduce the volume of spam reaching the user's e-mail box through the use of gateway filters.

(Microsoft is leading the parade on this one.)

* With the DMA now saying CSA compliant unsolicited commercial e-mail is not spam, (which is nonsense) the public is not inclined to listen to the concerns of senders of solicited commercial e-mailer about filters.

* For this reason, although I appreciate we are upset, angry, concerned and frustrated, as long as the DMA is saying CSA compliant UCE is ok ... and no one with stature is saying ... nonsense ... apart from the anti-spam crowd ... as the saying goes in politics "perception is reality."

John Glube
Toronto, Canada

Who Pays And How To Survive The E-mail Transition

Messages In This Thread

Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Richard -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 7:18 a.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
David Geer -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 12:17 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
David -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 7:38 p.m.

ADMIN! Re: Only ONE of these three is currently doing the job...
Michael Green -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 9:07 p.m.

Re: Only ONE of these three is currently doing the job...
Matt Garrett -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 10:34 p.m.

Re: I have to agree with Michael ...
Mike Merz -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 10:34 p.m.

Delivery percentages
Trevor Clarke -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 12:16 a.m.

Re: Delivery percentages
Tom Kulzer -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 4:44 p.m.

ADMIN! Re: Delivery percentages - thanks Tom
Michael Green -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 5:14 p.m.

Re: Delivery percentages + a question ??
Paul White -- Saturday, 3 April 2004, at 11:28 p.m.

Re: Delivery percentages
Trevor Clarke -- Saturday, 3 April 2004, at 2:04 a.m.

Re: Delivery percentages
Doug Champigny -- Saturday, 3 April 2004, at 9:27 p.m.

Re: Delivery percentages
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 2:06 p.m.

Thanks, Tom!
Doug Champigny -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 3:04 p.m.

Re: Thanks, Tom!
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 3:16 p.m.

Re: Thanks, Tom!
Doug Champigny -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 4:02 p.m.

Re: Thanks, Tom!
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 4:40 p.m.

Re: Thanks, Tom!
Doug Champigny -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 4:56 p.m.

Re: Thanks, Tom! and Corey Rudhl
Chris Lang -- Saturday, 17 April 2004, at 4:42 p.m.

Where purchased opt-in leads can be safe
Trevor Clarke -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 5:33 p.m.

Re: Where purchased opt-in leads can be safe
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 5:46 p.m.

Re: Where purchased opt-in leads can be safe
Trevor Clarke -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 1:01 a.m.

Re: Where purchased opt-in leads can be safe
Tom Kulzer -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 6:52 p.m.

Re: Where purchased opt-in leads can be safe
Trevor Clarke -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 9:31 p.m.

Re: Delivery percentages
Cheryl Gonzalez -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 3:43 a.m.

Re: Delivery percentages
Tom Kulzer -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 2:05 p.m.

Re: Delivery percentages
Julia -- Monday, 28 June 2004, at 4:54 p.m.

Re: Delivery percentages
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 28 June 2004, at 5:13 p.m.

Re: Delivery percentages
Julia -- Monday, 28 June 2004, at 6:08 p.m.

Re: Delivery percentages
Ray -- Thursday, 1 July 2004, at 11:17 p.m.

Looking for Bob
Howard Anderson -- Tuesday, 23 August 2005, at 2:32 a.m.

Aweber's bold deliverability claims (was Re: Delivery percentages)
Simon Grabowski -- Wednesday, 8 March 2006, at 8:22 p.m.

Re: Aweber's bold deliverability claims (was Re: Delivery percentages)
Chris Upson -- Sunday, 12 March 2006, at 8:20 p.m.

Re: Getresponse bold deliverability claims. 99.45%? Seems bogus if they think AWeber's is bogus.
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 2:24 a.m.

Re: Aweber bold deliverability claims.
Simon Grabowski -- Saturday, 8 April 2006, at 12:47 p.m.

GetResponse Stalking Aweber?
Chris Dudley -- Saturday, 8 April 2006, at 8:57 p.m.

Re: Aweber bold deliverability claims.
Simon Grabowski -- Saturday, 8 April 2006, at 10:29 p.m.

Re: Aweber bold deliverability claims.
Roger Haeske -- Wednesday, 12 April 2006, at 8:42 p.m.

Re: Only ONE of these three is currently doing the job...
Pamela Heywood -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 9:02 a.m.

Re: Considering using a script on your server? Prepare to educate yourself on the following items..
Tom Kulzer -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 5:05 p.m.

Re: Only ONE of these three is currently doing the job...
Jim Lodwig -- Sunday, 9 April 2006, at 3:51 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Steve Yakim -- Saturday, 3 April 2004, at 9:49 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Ed Y -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 11:03 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Tom Kulzer -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 3:46 p.m.

Awesome thread...
Mike Mann -- Saturday, 3 April 2004, at 5:31 a.m.

How about Robot Reply?
Anthony Fesalbon -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 5:20 a.m.

Re: How about Robot Reply?
William Smith -- Thursday, 29 December 2005, at 6:27 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Gary Ambrose -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 7:06 a.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Robert Shields -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 11:02 a.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
David -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 11:13 a.m.

This is a critical choice...
Fraser Neilson -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 1:55 p.m.

Re: AutoResponders - Could Someone Please Tell Me... ?
Marty Nicholas -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 11:25 a.m.

Royal Responder beats them all ... hands down...
Thom Reece -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 11:45 a.m.

Re:
Chris Lang -- Friday, 2 April 2004, at 2:44 p.m.

Michael - "How many subs did you lose?"
Travis U. -- Saturday, 3 April 2004, at 10:28 p.m.

Re: Michael - "How many subs did you lose?"
William Smith -- Thursday, 29 December 2005, at 6:24 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder
Jim Peck -- Sunday, 4 April 2004, at 1:14 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons
Trevor Clarke -- Sunday, 4 April 2004, at 6:37 p.m.

Re: 30% lose of subscribers with verified opt-in? Do you actually lose sales though...
Tom Kulzer -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 2:26 p.m.

Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?
RIchard Keir -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 5:52 a.m.

Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?
Gary Ambrose -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 8:43 a.m.

Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?
Tom Kulzer -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 2:10 p.m.

Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?
Philip Allen -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 2:45 a.m.

Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?
Tom Kulzer -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 2:07 p.m.

Re: 30% loss : But who made the ISPs our big brother?
Cheryl Gonzalez -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 7:23 p.m.

ISPs are our big brother!
Chris Lang -- Saturday, 17 April 2004, at 5:39 p.m.

Re: ISPs are our big brother!
Mike MacDonell -- Sunday, 30 May 2004, at 7:45 a.m.

Yes, but ...
John Glube -- Monday, 31 May 2004, at 7:18 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Julia -- Wednesday, 30 June 2004, at 4:11 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
DianeM -- Wednesday, 30 June 2004, at 4:44 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Julia -- Wednesday, 30 June 2004, at 5:01 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Trevor Clarke -- Wednesday, 30 June 2004, at 5:14 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Julia -- Wednesday, 30 June 2004, at 6:12 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Julia -- Wednesday, 30 June 2004, at 6:15 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Trevor Clarke -- Thursday, 1 July 2004, at 2:09 p.m.

Re: Aweber, GetResponse, Proautoresponder - comparison pros and cons(to Trevor)
Aubrey Carroll -- Monday, 5 July 2004, at 11:41 p.m.

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