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Breakdown of what is going on behind the scenes
Posted By: "Director" In Response To: Re: On affiliate side of Stephan Dumarche *LINK* (Cofton)
Date: Monday, 6 September 2004, at 6:35 p.m.
The "Directors" you are speaking about are nothing more than a call center of sales people run by an independant company using psychological closing techniques to get people to invest in a $3000-$7000 coaching program.
I once was contacted by these telemarketers from one of Stephan's lists he sold them and I stopped the guy dead in his tracks by saying, "Here is what I know (listed my experience and credentials) now what can you do for me that I don't already know?"
The sales representative then said "Umm... nothing I guess."
These "Directors" are just telemarketers working in a call center closing sales. It's a job but they are nothing more and nothing less than telemarketers. After you make the commitment to buy their coaching program legally you have a couple days to cancel. So if you find your self feeling remorseful after purchasing thier coaching better hurry and request a refund.
The "coaching" is merely fulfilled by a third party. You will probably be coerced into shelling out more money as the coaching goes on for thigs like "advertising campaigns" etc.
A coach can be a good thing for some people but do your due dilligence and do not make an emotional decision on the first contact. Regardless of what the sales person claimes when they approach you with a $3000-$7000 coaching program this is not your "last chance" to get it.
This is merely a high pressure sales tactic and if recorded and turned over to the proper authorities may prove the demise of the call center who is using these deceptive practices.
I have been through plenty of presentations where the close is on and it is a "now or never" offer only to be called back later and offered the same package at a discount.
You won't be getting a discount if you purchase coaching from the sales floor that Stehan uses though. Last time I checked with the call center (yes I know who he uses) they were avaraging a wopping $600 a lead with stephan's leads.
That means that for every 100 leads he sends in they would pull in $60,000 in sales.
I believe I was told that Stephan's piece of that pie was 35%. A pretty nice back end don't you think?
Just not so nice for the clients who get stuck with the bill and find the coaching substandard which has been known to happen sometimes.
At any rate it is way overpriced. I have seen many multi thousand dollar coaching programs and online business startup packages that are less comprehensive and pile on hidden costs.
If you are a beginner and need the step by step you would be best off puchasing Ken Evoy's Site Build It. No comprehensive (hosting, site creation, step by step marketing) package beats it in my books.
> Just two things I think people should be aware of before taking anything
> Stephan Ducharme says or promises :> (1) his company never answer any emails of support for his 'members', I
> have sent 4 emails each one without a reply and 5 people that I
> recommended his site to have all had no replies to their questions.> And (2) (and this is very important for people thinking about joining his
> scheme) Shortly after purchasing his information most people get a call
> from one of his marketing guys who asks you all about your financial
> status, basically this is to confirm that you can lay your hands on a few
> thousand pounds (around $5000 to be precise) via credit card of course.
> You then are told that one of Stephans 'Directors' will call you the
> following day as you are just the person they are looking for to join
> Stephans elite group and make mega bucks.
> I won't go all through the sales patter but needless to say these
> 'Directors' are really top sales closers that want your credit card
> details immediately ! The sales pitch he uses lasts about an hour !
> I actually asked if I could have 15 minutes to think about it as I was
> really keen as this guy had hyped me up to believe his every word.
> His response was ' sorry friend I haven't got time as I have a list of
> people to call and I am really looking for 'decision makers' !!!
> All this guy actually did was save me £3000 and he lost a sale for not
> waiting 15 minutes !
> I was so glad that he would not wait because when I actually 'came down'
> from his sales bulls**t I realised that even after all these years I could
> still be taken in by a good sales closer.
> Please feel free to quote me if you wish as I want people to know what
> this guy is about, I believed him, I trusted him, I promoted his scheme, I
> actually got 2 orders for his book (whether I get paid remains to be seen)
> but now I am about to take his banners off my websites as I feel he is
> just out to make as much cash as he can by using other peoples money !
> If he is so, so rich then why does he need to ask other people who are not
> rich for their hard earned money ???? Maybe because he's now spent his
> money on his big house with the lake (advertised on his website of course)
> This guy has lost all credibilty and anyone who promotes it, writes a
> testimonial or backs him in any way is, in my humble opinion just being
> paid money by him or are just as low as he is.
> So Stephan, if you read this I just hope you can sleep at night because I
> sure as hell wouldn't be able to if I did what you do.
> Sorry to go on about this but this guy has dented my reputation as I
> recommended him to other people who have also had 'the phonecall' from his
> 'Directors', these good people have now removed themselves from my opt-in
> list and who could blame them ?
> Just do your searches and see other posts about the amount of refunds that
> are being requested.
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