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Re: Nothing wrong with THIS picture

Posted By: Sam Freedom
Date: Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 7:29 a.m.

In Response To: Nothing wrong with THIS picture (Silke Stahl)

> I am awake, Sam. Everyone can choose whether to click on an ad or open an
> email based on a headline - nobody is FORCED to do it. The people on this
> forum are intelligent and experienced marketers and business people - well
> a lot of us are - and aren't going to fall for tricks like "power
> headlines". And even if they did open Josh's post and realise they
> didn't want to read it or take him up on it, they didn't need to complain
> about it.

> A lot of people - especially the intelligent and clued up people I've seen
> posting on here - know how to think first and not just act on
> "emotions".

> Yes, they have a choice and I'm sure they would agree on that, and maybe
> not like your implication that they do not and are so easily led?

> Anyway, as has been said elsewhere, too much has been made over this
> already.

> As I said, I'm awake - make sure you are. Or just agree to disagree.
> That's what debates and discussions are about after all.

Silke, why enter a discussion with a differing viewpoint if you're willing to settle for "let's agree to disagree." I'm just not the PC kind of guy to go for that sort of thing. If you have a point, and you're sufficiently passionate about it, you'd go the extra distance to support your claim. There's more to support the point I've made than there is for yours but you're comfortably willing to "agree to disagree", so why did you enter in the first place?

Let me put it this way.... since people ACT on emotion and then RATIONALIZE afterwards, I won't ask you to share the answer to this next question publicly because there's no telling how self-honest you can be. But for your own consideration, go back and HONESTLY, just between you and yourself and noone else, recall just exactly how much went into your "choice" to be a part of this thread where you have nothing other than your own insistence to support your theory -- and therefore must settle for "let's agree to disagree."?

What went into that choice? How will you now rationalize it, when it was almost certainly an emotional reaction?

I'm here to discuss and even debate about key marketing concepts -- not only for myself, but for anyone who really wants not to just make money but to actually SEE and DISCOVER which of the techniques and tactics we see every day are based on greed and which are based on a sincere wish to be of service.

You entered to say you believe people have a choice. I gave examples of successful marketers who, without hesitation, publicly announce that "whip out your credit card" marketing is based on people having no choice. Yet you just restate your belief like a tape recorder.

So if you want to agree to disagree, you'll have to do it yourself and leave the "let us..." out of it. That's a monster of your own creation.

By the way, I started a thread titled, "The Thread Noone Wants to Read", check it out sometime.

Regards,
Sam

Messages In This Thread

Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Josh Anderson -- Saturday, 11 September 2004, at 11:22 p.m.

Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Bert -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 12:24 a.m.

Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Chris -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 9:10 p.m.

Read before you post
PearsonBrown -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 10:17 p.m.

Burt, can I reprint your interesting posts DNO *DNO*
Eo Lim -- Wednesday, 15 September 2004, at 8:07 p.m.

Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Bert -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 12:34 a.m.

Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Bert -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 12:45 a.m.

Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Bert -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 12:53 a.m.

Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Bert -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 1:11 a.m.

SPAMMER
John -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 12:19 p.m.

Don't count on it!
Steve MacLellan -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 12:42 p.m.

Re: Don't count on it!
Jim Straw Fan -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 12:58 p.m.

Re: SPAMMER
Josh Anderson -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 7:53 p.m.

Re: SPAMMER
jeffxp -- Tuesday, 14 September 2004, at 7:52 p.m.

WARNING! Readers may find this offensive...
Silke Stahl -- Wednesday, 15 September 2004, at 1:27 a.m.

Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Jim Straw Fan -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 12:52 p.m.

ADMIN! Rules explained...
Michael Green -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 1:31 p.m.

This is DISGUSTING
John -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 2:07 p.m.

Re: This is DISGUSTING
Sam Freedom -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 10:36 a.m.

A little bit of perspective, please
PearsonBrown -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 11:10 a.m.

Re: A little bit of perspective, please
Silke Stahl -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 12:57 p.m.

Josh's offer
Silke Stahl -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 3:28 p.m.

Why the fuss?
Andy Henry -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 8:58 p.m.

ADMIN! Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Michael Green -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 1:37 p.m.

I thought Bert summed it up admirably... *DNO*
Kim Standerline -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 4:33 p.m.

Re: I thought Bert summed it up admirably...
Christopher Given -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 7:30 p.m.

Re: I thought Bert summed it up admirably...
Michael Ambrosio -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 8:29 p.m.

Re: Forums for People or Profit ??????????????
Christopher Given -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 10:26 p.m.

Re: Forums for People or Profit ??????????????
Michael -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 10:39 p.m.

Re: I thought Bert summed it up admirably...
Paul Myers -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 5:21 a.m.

Something to think about...
Sam Freedom -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 10:44 a.m.

Re: Something to think about...
Andy Henry -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 11:20 a.m.

Re: Something to think about...
Sam Freedom -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 3:29 p.m.

Re: Mature and Professionally said! Sam you have redeemed yourself *DNO*
Christopher Given -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 12:10 p.m.

Re: Something to think about...
Paul Myers -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 3:50 p.m.

Rafting through the world....
Sam Freedom -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 4:42 p.m.

Re: Rafting through the world....
Paul Myers -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 4:53 p.m.

Re: Rafting through the world....
Sam Freedom -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 5:18 p.m.

Re: Rafting through the world....
Paul Myers -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 7:35 p.m.

Re: (In the Dock) Name, Address, Occupation, Place of Work
Christopher Given -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 12:07 p.m.

ADMIN! Re: (In the Dock) Name, Address, Occupation, Place of Work
Michael Green -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 1:20 p.m.

Re: (In the Dock) Name, Address, Occupation, Place of Work
Christopher Given -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 5:28 p.m.

Re: (In the Dock) Name, Address, Occupation, Place of Work
Christian Taylor -- Wednesday, 15 September 2004, at 7:16 p.m.

Re: I have more courage than you will ever experience!
Christopher Given -- Wednesday, 15 September 2004, at 8:31 p.m.

Re: I have more courage than you will ever experience!
Christian Taylor -- Wednesday, 15 September 2004, at 11:14 p.m.

Re: Do you actually think before you post?
Christopher Given -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 1:14 a.m.

Re: Do you actually think before you post?
Christopher Given -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 1:27 a.m.

You must really impress yourself with these non-sensical posts, huh . . . *DNO*
Michael Ambrosio -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 1:55 a.m.

Re: Let people know the truth - that's my Motto *DNO*
Christopher Given -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 2:49 a.m.

But who says YOUR truth is THE truth? Where's the PROOF??? *DNO*
Michael Ambrosio -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 11:01 a.m.

Re: It's about thinking before you act - and getting satisfaction baby!
Christopher Given -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 12:46 p.m.

Re: It's about thinking before you act - and getting satisfaction baby!
Michael Ambrosio -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 1:40 p.m.

Re: Ok I'll offer you a Free service - no worries!
Christopher Given -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 4:32 p.m.

Re: Ok I'll offer you a Free service - no worries!
Michael Ambrosio -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 9:48 p.m.

Re: Well you asked for something free?
Christopher Given -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 10:31 p.m.

Re: Well you asked for something free?
Michael Ambrosio -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 11:38 p.m.

Re: Your Alexa Rankings
Christopher Given -- Friday, 17 September 2004, at 1:41 a.m.

Christopher, Re: Your short term memory problem.....
Christian Taylor -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 8:49 a.m.

Re: Take you short term memory stuff and shove it where the sun don't shine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christopher Given -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 1:01 p.m.

Re: (In the Dock) Name, Address, Occupation, Place of Work
Paul Myers -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 4:43 p.m.

Re: Interesting - some valid points there.
Christopher Given -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 6:00 p.m.

Re: The Case of the Disappearing Ghost - no (Post) lol
Christopher Given -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 9:12 p.m.

Re: The Disappearing Post strikes again Eh??????????
Christopher Given -- Tuesday, 14 September 2004, at 9:30 a.m.

Re Case solved (I think)
Christopher Given -- Tuesday, 14 September 2004, at 9:39 a.m.

Re: Re Case solved (I think)
PearsonBrown -- Wednesday, 15 September 2004, at 7:32 p.m.

Re: Interesting - some valid points there.
Michael Ambrosio -- Tuesday, 14 September 2004, at 2:12 a.m.

Re: Interesting - some valid points there.
Paul Myers -- Tuesday, 14 September 2004, at 3:56 a.m.

Re: Interesting - yet again
Christopher Given -- Tuesday, 14 September 2004, at 10:06 a.m.

Re: Interesting - yet again
Paul Myers -- Tuesday, 14 September 2004, at 8:07 p.m.

Am I the only one who noticed that...
Chris -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 9:14 p.m.

Re: True *DNO*
Christopher Given -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 10:44 p.m.

Yes, you are.
Sam Freedom -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 10:47 a.m.

Re: Yes, you are.
Chris -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 6:58 p.m.

Re: Yes, you are.
Sam Freedom -- Tuesday, 14 September 2004, at 6:51 a.m.

Re: Yes, you are.
Chris -- Tuesday, 14 September 2004, at 9:29 p.m.

Re: Yes, you are.
Sam Freedom -- Wednesday, 15 September 2004, at 5:32 a.m.

Re: How about seperate forum sections??????
Christopher Given -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 12:14 p.m.

My explanation
Josh Anderson -- Sunday, 12 September 2004, at 10:24 p.m.

Re: My explanation
Sam Freedom -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 10:54 a.m.

Re: why this thread is not a statistically sound sample
Josh Anderson -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 2:56 p.m.

A Stastically Unsound Response ;-)
Sam Freedom -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 5:11 p.m.

Re: A Stastically Unsound Response ;-)
Josh Anderson -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 6:27 p.m.

Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Sam Freedom -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 10:32 a.m.

Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Andy Henry -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 11:38 a.m.

Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Sam Freedom -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 3:44 p.m.

Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Andy Henry -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 3:57 p.m.

Re: Blatant Promotion with an urgent time sensitive announcement for 24 hours
Silke Stahl -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 12:35 p.m.

The important thing is....
Sam Freedom -- Monday, 13 September 2004, at 5:02 p.m.

Re: The important thing is....
Silke Stahl -- Wednesday, 15 September 2004, at 5:41 p.m.

What's Wrong With This Picture?
Sam Freedom -- Wednesday, 15 September 2004, at 11:08 p.m.

Nothing wrong with THIS picture
Silke Stahl -- Wednesday, 15 September 2004, at 11:17 p.m.

Re: Nothing wrong with THIS picture
Sam Freedom -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 7:29 a.m.

Re: Nothing wrong with THIS picture
Silke Stahl -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 8:59 a.m.

The Chooser Speaks....
Sam Freedom -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 10:12 a.m.

Re: What's Wrong With This Picture?
Lady B -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 4:14 a.m.

Let's All Just Get In a Big Circle and Hug
Sam Freedom -- Thursday, 16 September 2004, at 9:06 a.m.

AND .. I CAN'T BELIEVE I READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD !!!! *DNO*
Arturo -- Tuesday, 14 September 2004, at 4:59 a.m.

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