> As with a lot of these things, the proof, is in the judgement whether to
> buy into whatever. You have to decide whether it's worth the cash, but I
> always look at what I'm about to enter with great scrutiny, and will break
> everything down to ask why it won't work, or why whoever isn't able to
> offer the quality of what they claim etc.
True. But you have shown yourself to be one that calls everything a scam. You have a history here. MOST of the reason these programs, etc. don't work is peoples lack of effort. Nothing else. Not to say there is no scams out there, but when people find out they have to *GASP* WORK to make these systems work, THAT'S when all the "scam artist" accusations fly.
> Other than that, the only way of knowing (truly) is to buy whatever or
> attend whatever - but ofcourse once you pay upfront, it's a bit late - you
> may not get your money back.
> I'm not saying you won't! But you may not. And that's the chance you have
> to take. Too much of a risk when the exact details of the subject matter
> are missing from the actual seminar site. People want to know exactly what
> they will be taught.
> It's perfectly simple - what you do is you ask for further details of the
> product, event, software etc, and if that doesn't tell you in more detail
> what your getting and what the result is likely to be - then you don't buy
> obviously.
That's called "Due diligence". It's the persons responsibility to follow it through. Else they deserve what they get (or don't get).
> But paying up front 'before' actually attending, is just nuts. What if
> they do a runner with your cash? That's possible isn't it? Let's say it's
> a seminar (for arguments sake) and you pay on the day, 30 minutes into the
> seminar - you find out that it's the biggest load of poop, you've ever
> heard or whatever the reason you have, basically you're not learning
> anything new etc etc and you've given it a fair hearing, but you feel
> you've been ripped off. Are you going to get your money back?
Ok, so by THAT assessment, you would be NUTS to purchase a car until AFTER you get your full money's worth out of it. Show me anything that you USE before you PAY. That includes your so often spoken of college degrees. Did you pay for them first? If so, then by your own statements, you were foolish for not attending first.
Double standards...
> This is the problem here. Okay, what if 20 people don't like the product
> or event, what is in place to ensure these people are satisfied, one way
> or the other?? That's what I would like to know.
Satisfaction is in the eye of the beholder. But I believe Kirt spoke of a conditional money-back guarantee after attending. You must actually use the system and try to make it work.
> Acceptable, I would have thought, if I'm parting with my £3000 or whatever
> it costs. Or am I not allowed to be careful, sorry, who's money is this? -
> not yours for sure. Mine.
Just accepting things based on some web copy is
> just crazy, don't you people analyse and think about what might go wrong.
Who are you to say purchasers who bought this program DIDN'T analyse this first? Do you have . . . PROOF??? LOL
Yes, it's up to you. No one forces you to spend your money. But again, as someone who claims to be a businessperson - a successful one - tell me: Would YOU give away your products or services BEFORE someone pays? If so, send me your URL - I wanna try your stuff!!! 
> I don't think any of you do. Hey that's up to you.
DNO *DNO*